Natalie Franke
This episode is good for the soul. It is so good for the soul. In fact, you’re gonna want to listen to it multiple times. I am calling that right off the bat. When we talk about the science of self made success, we’re not just talking about sales and marketing. We’re not talking just about data analytics. We’re also talking about things that are difficult to quantify the you, the human being behind the business, the one whose heart and soul makes all of the magic happen. And in today’s episode, we are sitting down with one of my favorite poets, authors and actors to dig into that conversation. Arielle Estoria was born and raised in Foggy Northern California and now calls Los Angeles home. She’s a multi passionate, multi talented creative, who is a poet. She’s an author, and advocate and an actor. She has worked with companies such as Google TED X dress, Ember, Lululemon skims by Kim Kardashian and many more. Arielle has also been making strides in the commercial and television worlds she has been seen in commercials for brands like Etsy, Starbucks Pay Pal, T. J. Maxx, you’ve probably seen her on your television screen, she’s kind of a big deal. And her brand new book, The unfolding an invitation to come home to yourself, just hit shelves, this conversation. It is fantastic. At the very end of the interview, she also gives us the opportunity to hear one of the poems from her new book, and it is chosen with intention specifically for all of you. So I have no doubt one of y’all needs to hear this today. Make sure you don’t miss the end of the episode. Hey, everyone, this is your host, Natalie Frank, and you’re listening to the independent business podcast, more people than ever are working for themselves and building profitable businesses in the process. So on this show, I sit down with some of the most influential authors, entrepreneurs and creators to break down the science of self made success so that you can achieve victory.
Natalie Franke
Thank you so much for joining me, Arielle.
Arielle Estoria
Thank you so much for having me. I’m excited to be here.
Natalie Franke
I am so excited to have you here. I’ve been following your journey for years and years and years. And I know I tell this story a lot. But you came out and spoke to our rising tide leaders when we were in Minneapolis. And when I tell you to all the listeners, if you are not familiar, let me tell you, you are in for a treat today. Because I witnessed as we went from laughing to full body chills to people weeping in the audience full on weeping in the audience, you have such a gift and such a talent. And I am so excited to be having you on the podcast to talk about all things, business and the book that you’re bringing into the world and you’ve just brought into the world. It’s it’s going to be such a great episode. But I’d love to just give our listeners a little bit of background into what brought you to the point of writing your new book unfolding.
Arielle Estoria
Yeah. Oh my gosh, I’m so much brought me to that point, to be completely honest, I think a lot of the journey that I found myself in a lot of ourselves find ourselves in, in leading up into the pandemic, it was kind of like, who am I? What are we doing? What is this space where we thought it was just gonna be two weeks and ended up being yours? Like me just, I did this unraveling of just what do I believe? And what do I stand for? And who am I in the midst of that? And and what does it mean to be an artist in that? And what does it mean to be a black woman in that and, and just kind of undoing and mentally unfolding a lot of those beliefs in a lot of those conversations. And so, for me, it was just a season of really learning about myself, and really having to separate the voices of other people. The loud minorities, male, I’ve heard it called have just so much input. And I needed to sort through what was me, what was what I consider the voice of the Divine and where I wanted to go with both of those things. And so that’s that season that I found myself in, I wasn’t necessarily writing and from that I had to write in order to get through a lot of those things. So I process through poetry, I heal through poetry. So most of what you find in the book is just things I needed to sort out with myself. They’re just words I needed to remind myself to encourage myself to heal and everything in between him. So that’s where a lot of that space was birthed from just a really pivotal season of changing and undoing and expanding and processing through those things.
Natalie Franke
And for business owners, you know, the past few years on the business side of things have been a professional unfolding of sorts, you know, a kind of peeling back of what really matters in work, right when we work, what truly matters when we show up to our job, you know, are we bringing our whole Self, are we doing the work you’re describing on the personal side? You know, we saw, for example, over the last couple of years, but especially, you know, 2021. And then we saw some of it into 2022 is just this massive exodus from the workforce. So many people leaving their corporate jobs and rapid rise of Independent Business Ownership, we saw record setting numbers in 2021 5.3 9 million new business applications 2020 to 5.1 million new business applications. And I say that to add the context of, you know, this has been a season of change, but it really revealed for people, you know, they need to figure out what matters in their life, they need to figure out who they are in that story of their own lives. And so your book truly is coming at such a critical moment for everyone, it is a book for everyone. Yeah. But as a business owner, I would say this is a book you absolutely need on your own personal journey. So you can show up, you know, as the best version of yourself, and I’m curious for you, so you’re going through this experience, you are processing, through your creativity through the incredible art that you create. And I’m wondering, though, was it hard for you to write about certain seasons of your life? Like, how was it for you writing about those moments that may have been painful or may have been uncomfortable? And to be so vulnerable? And how you show up? What was that experience? Like?
Arielle Estoria
Yeah, that process of was grueling. It was it was very, it’s, it’s like an extraction. When we think of the concept of an extraction and something, you’re, you’re pulling things out of yourself, you’re in it, and I’ve cried, I cried a lot during this process. And my first draft, actually my editor, she, she was like, she finished it, she read it, and she just so happened to be in LA that week. And she was like, let’s, let’s meet, you know, so you met and we’re chatting and hanging out. And, of course, she was like, I can tell that you’re holding back, like I can tell that you’re not letting yourself fully go there. And I wasn’t she was she completely read me because I wasn’t. And I was purposely I have the ability to be vulnerable to be open, and still keep this level of surface. So keep this level where I’m not fully going to the depth. But I’ve, I’ve done it, I’ve done this. So well, I perfected this so well, that you, you might think I’m going really deep, you know, like, like, you might think I’m being really honest. And so, and I’m always being honest, but I may still be protecting myself and I may still be protecting other people. And I think for me, it was like, I never wanted to write this really juicy, you know, tell all like, I don’t want to bring people down, I think we as humans are doing the best we can with what we have. But how can I share my story honestly, and the parts that hurt and the parts of they needed to experience and interface while also honoring other people and while also other honoring my story. And so it was hard, I had to let myself get there. In every draft, it was just getting chiseling a little deeper and a little deeper. But that didn’t mean there wasn’t tears. That didn’t mean there wasn’t wine along with the process.
Natalie Franke
The process is hard period. But when you’re writing the kind of book that you’re writing, I can only imagine your 10x saying that that experience and kind of the, the weight on the other side. And any piece of great art takes a little bit of our soul with it. Like it just kind of requires us to go there and to lean in. And I’m curious for you personally, what has your own journey of unfolding and coming home to yourself truly look like?
Arielle Estoria
Yeah, I think it’s so fun thinking about this question because it looks so different. In this season of writing the book, it’s been like three, three ish years now of the whole process, email. So it looks very different. And while writing it, I was learning how to come home to myself, I was learning how to go through those phases of awakening to these new parts of myself, and awakening to these parts of myself that I changed and evolved, while also finding space to read those aspects of myself, which is what the eclipsing journey is like. That’s what that chapter is that grief of change. We don’t talk about the grief of change, we talk about the grief of loss, but it’s the same thing losing parts of us losing who we were or what we did believe there’s a grief that comes with that for ourselves and for other people who are familiar with us being that way, you know, and then there’s an illuminating and bringing light to Okay. This is who I am who I am today. This is who sits before you. And this is the light of what I’ve left. You know, this is what I’ve kept to at bay. Maybe this is what I’ve been afraid of, and then we mend you know, we bring in what makes sense and we heal and heal And those broken pieces are still there, you know, we still see them. But we’re allowing space and room for us to figure out what it means to connect those two, and to leave the rest and then return we return back to ourselves and this fullness and trusting our gut, and trusting our voices and trusting that our presence and what we’re bringing to the table matters in this world. And so that’s, that’s what the book was, it was just me trying to realize those things. Now I’m in a season of practicing those. Now that I’ve gotten this under my belt. Now I can show up a little bit more bold, a little bit more in my spine, if you will. And so now coming home to myself, just looks like I told my therapist this week, I just was like, I feel very sure of the ground I stand on now. And that would didn’t look like this. Three years ago, three years ago, I was very rocky. And it was very shaky. But now there’s this groundedness and this awareness of who I am and what I’m doing and what I’m creating. And that feels really beautiful. That feels it’s a really fun space to be in. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to be back in the figuring it out all over again. Because everything is cyclical, it’s not linear. And it happens all at once. And at different times. And and so right now I’m in that space of feeling grounded, and really honing in on that, and being confident in that. Yeah.
Natalie Franke
Talk to me and the business owners who have ever asked themselves the question, do I matter? Does the work I do really matter? Because something I heard as you went through that process is you arrived at the end, and you kind of said, you know, like, not only did I feel grounded, but there was a sense of understanding the magnitude of the impact and the fact that the world really needs, what you’ve got, the world needs, what you have to offer. And you’ve shown up and done that. And I say this, because I know I know, the past few years have just been so challenging for this community. And everyone comes into it with different lived experiences and different challenges that they’re they’re walking through these, you know, auditory or visual doors with whether you’re watching or listening to the podcast. But nonetheless, I know a lot of people have felt really discouraged and need to return kind of back to themselves need to feel this sense of groundedness. So to that person, like what encouragement would you give?
Arielle Estoria
Yeah, well know that that dis encouragement means that you’re really, you’re really passionate, and you what you’re doing matters a lot to you. So let that be just like a reminder of like, I care so much about this and having that be a fuel, then, you know, like I think about when Amanda Gorman first came into the picture and I, I lost it. I was like, Okay, I’m gonna go get another job. There’s no more space for me in this world. She’s taking it all. And All right, great. What am I gonna do, like I literally had a down word spiral. And sweet smells my sweet, sweet spouse, my sweet partner, he was like, there’s room for both of you. There’s room for Amanda Gorman. And there’s room for Ariella storia. And I really, really needed to hear that. And I think I just give that back to you, there’s room for whoever it is that you’re comparing yourself, whoever you’re thinking is taking up all the space, they are not there is room for what you have, there is room for what you’re bringing to the table. And it’s I think a lot of it, I had attended an event. And each person, you know, we were speaking on different topics and things like that. And we realized in the audience, someone spoke over all of the speakers there, like each of you was going to speak to a different person in the room, you’re not you yourself are not going to be for everyone. That’s not realistic. Everyone has different palates, and different things they need to hear in different spaces that they’re sitting in. So it’s not really realistic for you to speak to every single person in the room. But you will speak to a select few who are specifically there to encounter you. And when you think about that monument, and that power, we lose what social media often gives us as the reach, you know, and the numbers of thing and you really kind of like hone in, you know, like there might be three, four or five in this room of 100. And I’m going to speak to those three, four or five people. And so knowing that it’s not, it’s not for not, you know, like what you’re doing is for someone somewhere at some point in time, and that needs to be our direction in our field. It’s not for everyone, you know, and that’s okay, that would be exhausting to be for everyone and to hold that kind of load. So know that there’s a group of people that your work Your knowledge that your expertise is for, and let it be for them, you know, and they will receive just the most beauty from that, you know, and I think that’s what’s important. Not the numbers, not the reach just the few. If we could come back to the view, I think there’s a ripple there.
Natalie Franke
I agree. I’ve always said, you know, especially in the community building work that I’ve done, if you can impact one person’s life, that is so much more than enough, like one person being impacted by your work, your creativity, that’s a legacy, that’s a legacy to be proud of, we get caught up in those big numbers, but you are right, it’s getting back to back to understanding the value of each human being in that room or in that space or in your business that you can serve. So much value there. Did you always know you were going to go into this sort of work this creative work this? Like, was there ever a world where young Ral imagined like working at a desk at a company or like climbing a corporate ladder? Yeah, tell me about
Arielle Estoria
like, definitely not a corporate ladder. That was That was definitely not ever in my bones. I did, I did used to say I was going to be a teacher. So a little a little corporate ish. That was kind of my first heart and intention. And then as I got into college, actually, I, my initial heart was to do art therapy for gifted children. So children on the spectrum children on any type of, of level of learning, enhancements and needs and things like that. So that’s kind of where I was where I started with being a little bit artistic, but then also being very organized and functional. I’m a left and a right brain creative. And I’m the oldest child, so I have a lot of practical bones in my body. And so at first, it was like, how do I connect this artistic theatrical aspect of who I am, I’m not going to be an actor, you know, I’m not going to be on stage. So those are things I was genuinely telling myself until I was like, How can I just incorporate the two worlds. And so my major is actually a psychology major, that’s what I went to school for, with an emphasis in theater thinking that I would do art therapy, and then obviously, the stage and more aspects of performing kept popping up in my life. And I just was like, I don’t understand what’s happening, maybe I’m not gonna be on stage. So I don’t understand why all these stage opportunities, keep showing up. But I’ve always been a very flamboyant dramaturg of an individual as a kid, even you know, but as you get older, you start to shut out a lot of those dreams within yourself. And so there was a season of life where I wanted to do the practical thing. And then I slowly learned and realize, I’m not made for the practical thing. So let’s just throw that out and move forward from there, you know?
Natalie Franke
Yes, well, I feel as though a lot of us can relate to the fact that we’ve wavered between these big, big dreams. Growing up and growing up has a tendency to kind of make those dreams that once felt so possible, now impossible. And then experiencing that wavering between do we stick to the practical do I chase after my passion? And so I’m curious, you know, in your journey, for those especially because you do you really do talk a lot about the discomforts that you’ve experienced, you talk a lot about the challenges that you faced, you know, for somebody who is feeling like they’re at a stage where they’re wavering. I mean, again, I just, I just had a conversation with someone about the economy, for instance. And like, there’s so much conversation going on in the independent business world around, you know, is this a bad time to be an independent business is this you know, there’s so much fear so much uncertainty. What inspires you to keep going like when something doesn’t pan out, when you first think maybe I’ll be an actor, and then you’re like, I don’t know, maybe I’m not going to do it in that way. Or, because again, it’s like you have invented and reinvented and allowed yourself to explore the dynamic nature of your creativity from spoken word poetry to modeling to acting now. I mean, I, you’re kind of a you’re a big deal. Okay. I saw you modeling with Ashley Graham, in lingerie. So we didn’t just like you done a lot. And you run multiple businesses in that respect, and kind of been this entrepreneurial, creative, what keeps you going like when things don’t go your way, when you hit those uncomfortable moments that friction, that frustration that that? No getting told? Yeah. Well, I
Arielle Estoria
think that’s been so much the foundation of being an artist, like the everything is connected to rejection at some point. So I just had to create a backbone with that. I had to create a backbone with that and I also had to trust that the spaces that would be open to what I offer, the opportunities and the doors that would be open, were doors that were just so very distinctly made. For me, and for what I was doing so because there was that continuous, the doors are opening, and the doors are closing that lean into both and like, Okay, this is just part of it then not, you know, not not making it in the way that I thought I was going to make it or the opportunity not unfolding in the way I thought it was going to unfold. That’s just part of all this, you know, like, when you think of, of what you’re making, like, if this whole thing is a cake, I know, I need some yolk. And I know I need, you know, some flour, and I know, so I think these are all just the ingredients that make up the cake rejection is one of those ingredients, doors closing is one of those ingredients, were going in a different direction is one of those ingredients, you know, agencies not responding back to me is one of those ingredients. And that’s just, I’ve learned now I’ve created a backbone, and not so much of a sensitivity of why don’t they love me? Why don’t they see me, you know, in a sense of like, that wasn’t for me. And I really, really have learned to trust that now. And also on the opposite end really trust that the doors that open are going to be some really great doors and going to be doors that are very specifically for me and for the direction in which I’m going in my career. And in my life. You know, even down to the book, even I think I had gotten a lot of conversations in like 2018. And I just wasn’t ready, I wasn’t ready to write a book. And I met my then my now editor, I’m now at a literary agent at the time I met her in the season of trying to figure out how to either say no to these people, or how to just move forward with a book and ideas that I didn’t genuinely have. And she was the first person to tell me, you know, you don’t have to write a book right now. Like, you know, you can tell these people No. And I was like, What do you mean, again, tell these publishers, no, I’m never gonna get this opportunity again. And, and it’s that deficit mindset that we tend to find ourselves and have like, there may never be another this. And there won’t, but there will be at the same time. And I know that’s so contradicting to here, there won’t be in that way. But there will be in a way that’s so specific for you. And so I just had to trust that. And a year later, I was ready, I did have a proposal, and I had people on my side in my corner to where I wouldn’t get myself in a situation that would have been really not lucrative for my career and where I was going,
Natalie Franke
the only way to get to a great thing often requires us to say no to a good thing. And I had such a similar experience I had, you know, even in my own writing journey, I’d always wanted to write a book, it was a dream, you know, had always been a dream. And I had an offer extended to me shortly after my brain surgery by a publisher that had just been following along with my own journey. And it was an amazing publisher amazing book offer. But in my bones, I was like, I don’t think this is the book I’m supposed to write like, this book is great that they want me to write but the it’s not what I’m supposed to write. And so again, similar journey, I said, No, I went and crafted a new proposal and trusted that by saying no to this really beautiful, great thing because it wasn’t the right time and the right content. It allowed for so much more of the journey to unfold in the books that I’ve written now. And so that takes it takes a lot of guts to do something like that. And business owners experience that all the time, even down to the minutiae of everyday client opportunities that inbound into the inbox, right and you get, you get something that comes in and you’re like, I feel like I have to take this. I feel like I have to say yes to this. Yeah, I see you’re nodding so much. Yes. Like you have to say yes to this, because we start to move into that scarcity, like you said, that deficit mindset of that scarcity mindset. I say, No, it doesn’t come my way. What are some of the ways that you’ve built up the confidence to be able to embrace that word, no, embrace the fact that letting go of what isn’t meant for you has allowed you to move forward into these spaces where you’ve just you’ve thrived, you’ve completely thrived? What has helped you to build that confidence?
Arielle Estoria
I mean, I definitely in the beginning of of it all, I said yes to a lot in a thing that helped me learn what to say no to you know, because I said yes. To everything. And I do think there there can be a season for that, you know, especially with artists and creatives and trying to network and get yourself out there. Sometimes you just got to cast a very wide net. So my season of vs was me casting a very wide net. And then from that wide net, I was able to hone in a little bit more and I’m like, Yeah, I said yes to that one opportunity that honestly didn’t pay well, but I gave my all to it. And that felt icky after so I’m going to do less of that email or I’m, I went to this event, and I just morally couldn’t agree with what was happening. And so I need to do less of that. And so it just was a matter of like, the widest net I cast, I was able to hone in from that and learn, like, I don’t want that again. And I think having advocates and having people, um, you know, getting a literary agent, having an editor, having social media management, having these people who could kind of be a third wall, you know, between me and funnel things a little bit, because I do just take everything as is, I am a very trusting to a fault kind of person. Luckily, I have a partner now who is like, smells funky. I don’t upstate, and I’m like, What do you mean, as well, it’s fine, you know. So I have a lot of people in my corner now who can who I can kind of have on that funnel with and that filter through? And also I think if it’s like, you know, if it’s what is a quote, it’s like, if it’s not, it’s not a hell yes, it’s a no, like, if you’re not absolutely pumped and excited about it, that’s your body, that’s your spirit, that’s your brain telling you, you don’t, you don’t want this, and you don’t genuinely want to do this. And it’s not to be, you know, that language of like, well, I don’t want to do it. It’s not laziness, it’s knowing that, like, you have to have the desire and the fuel and the passion, otherwise, it’s not going to be your best work. So what’s the point, you’re going to result in things that aren’t actual ly representative of the quality and quantity of work, you’re able to actually bring to the table? Because you don’t actually you’re not in it? You know, so you’re just going to produce something. And that is sometimes necessary, you know, especially now and our season where are trying to figure out, you know, like, are we in a recession or not? How are companies doing? How are they not, you know, we’re in a very sticky space. So there are things I’m doing and saying yes to, because I need to generate some bills and income. And I know that about myself and where I’m at. But also, I know there does need to be a level of passion and excitement about what I’m doing. Otherwise, the work is not going to show the quality and the quantity and which I know I can bring to the table.
Natalie Franke
I love the balance in that. And I think it reminds me a little bit of how when you finally realize as a creative that the more you can focus on those things that do light you up those things that do kind of set your soul on fire and then remove the rest from your plate, get it off. And literally I work in honey book that’s like a honey. But that’s literally what we that’s were one of many amazing things, it tries to do that for business owners. It fuels that fire. And so you’re right, there’s that passion that has to be ignited for you to do your best work and to serve your clients well or to create from from such a healthy place. I am curious though, in writing this book and going through your own process of unfolding. You know, why do you think so many of us are afraid of letting go and afraid of the discomfort that’s required, in order for us to become the best person that we can be or the person that we’ve always been meant to be? Why are we so afraid to go there with ourselves?
Arielle Estoria
Yeah, same. I mean, it’s safety, it safety, it’s the fear of being rejected, it’s the fear of belonging, which is, is the one of you know, is the greatest fear, we read desire, we deeply deeply desire to belong. And if there’s any level of risk that that could not happen, we are our fight and flight is going to kick into the tea, and we are not going to take it, you know, and so, I think but there’s a level of that. But then there’s also just like, I think of like, you know, it’s cold here in LA, and weirdly cold here in LA. And it’s that morning, when you’re like, okay, the alarm has gone off. But my covers are very, very warm. And I could just lay here and not be productive today. And some days that’s necessary. But then there are also some days to just rip the covers off, let the cold air meet you get in the shower, get your day started. And I think of that level of warmth and safety and familiar. I’m like it’s super cozy. But I know later in the day for me, if I don’t wake up because I did some movement this morning, I’m going to be completely off, you know, so I have to take that risk. I gotta get up. I gotta start my day. And I have to move forward. And so I think it’s, it’s knowing that what we’re putting in your, your risk is part of the investment. And I don’t think we know that, you know, all the time. It’s like risk, again, is a part of the ingredient. We need it in order to make this full, rich, really yummy thing that we’re trying to create. We need it and it’s terrifying. Yes, no, it’s telling you it’s not terrifying. You know, it is absolutely terrifying. And you’re capable of doing it, you know, and you’re capable of stepping into it, you know, and so know that it is scary and also let that fuel you.
Natalie Franke
So that was what we call stop now Oh, yes, yes, yes. And yes. Oh my gosh, yes, yes, yes. I want to kind of round us out here with one big final question that I do ask at the end of every podcast episode. And I will after we do that, by the way, I would love if you’re up for it to read a little excerpt from your book, are you are you willing to read a little something for us? Okay, good. All right. So let me ask you a question that I just want to allow our listeners to experience a little bit of what they’re gonna have to look forward to when they get their hands on on your new book. The question is, and you can answer this however you want as a creator, as a business owner, however you want to tackle it. Arielle, what do you think is the biggest differentiator between the businesses that succeed and the ones that fail?
Arielle Estoria
Hmm, I think there’s, there’s a few layers to this, I think the difference is the ones that succeed, have the people in it to I think the businesses that take the people out of it, that number them that specify them in a way that takes out the humanity is is where the failing comes in. In that regard. I also think that it takes out the humans running it, you know, like, I love hearing conversations about these big companies in these big spaces that actually do work with the people working and running the organization, you’re allowing them to take rest days, you’re giving them yoga massages on site, you’re nourishing them throughout the day, and not just like stuffing them with like coffee and just keep producing keep you’re you’re reminding the people that they’re people, and that they’re humans and not machines. And that’s what’s creating these businesses and these organizations that are sustaining, because the people are sustained and nourished. And I think that’s important. I also think that it looks at the zeitgeist of what’s happening in the world, when we are just like, well, this is how we do it. And this is how we’ve always done it, you are missing a huge opportunity to connect, to engage and to reach. And I think not knowing and not understanding what’s happening in the world around us, is a reason why organizations, you know, businesses don’t reach up to that power, because they’re not willing to expand and to take risk. I do think, again, there’s also a level of taking risk. Don’t be completely foolish with it. I think there’s practical aspects to taking risk. But when we don’t take the risk again, this is always how he’s done it. We’re not doing if it’s not broke, don’t fix it. But just because it’s not broke, doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be enhanced, you know. And so, yeah, I think also, yeah, they’re willing to change and they’re willing to grow. I think that has to do with people too. But also build businesses as well. You’re willing to change and you’re willing to go grow in a way that enhances in speaks to who you’re trying? Who was your your demographic? Who is it that you’re trying to reach? And are you gearing yourselves and function yourselves around who you’re trying to reach? If you’re not, then maybe that would be something to assess. So I think, yeah, those are the things that come that come to mind. And that you’re really into include, I think, if your business looks one way, it’s probably not going to be to its fullest potential, because there’s not a whole and roundedness to the people holding it. And I think that goes a lot into the diversity versus inclusion, um, conversation, people should already be at the table. And there should not be one type of person at the table at every table. There should be an array of thought and experiences and backgrounds in order to have a full and rounded business, I think. Yeah, yeah, that’s my two cents.
Natalie Franke
I have loved this conversation. I wish we could keep going for days. I really do. I, I really do. But I want to carve out a little time. Could you read to us? Could you share a little bit with all of us?
Arielle Estoria
Yes. I’m trying to think one of my favorite spaces to to Lee to read is I’ll read this one because I think we’re talking a lot about risk and, and putting ourselves out there. And so this poem, you can find in the returning section, or the returning chapter, I don’t know what really phase it could be called any of those things, but this poem was called out of hiding. A friend came over one evening for dinner. I lit a candle, I vacuumed the carpet fluffed the pillows mop the kitchen, the usual tidying, but I did not feel the need to hide unwanted pieces in the closets, mostly because they were already too full to begin with. I did not talk the dirty laundry into an unseen place and instead the pile sat where the pile has set the corner clutter of my office stayed just as such and what permission that is to not have to hide the unwanted pieces of who we are to not tuck away under the bed the parts of us we find dirty to let the clutter be clutter and know that we are still wholeheartedly and fully able to be embraced. Loved seen come out of hiding love fall from under the bed the pieces of you hiding and come as you are come as all that you are.
Natalie Franke
Why am I crying? Ah, I hope that one reached through whatever speakers you are hearing this sera whatever you are reading this on, or watching this on and touched her soul. Arielle, thank you so much for pouring into this community and for sharing with all of us. We absolutely adore you. Where can our listeners learn more about the book? Where can they find it? Where is it for sale? Where can they follow along with your journey tell us all the things,
Arielle Estoria
all the things so I’m all things connected to me. You can search through my name Arielle with the double L E Astoria. That’s dot com. That’s Instagram. That’s Twitter that’s Tik Tok with an extra A at the end of the story because I can’t figure out my login for another account. So we’re living there. And you can find the book. In the audio book. Wherever audiobooks, ebooks and physical books are sold. I have some links on my website, where you can find those if you would like to shop black owned, you can find the book The reparations club as well. And then your local bookstore, please go into your local store and see if they have it available there. And if not, maybe call them and be like you should have this book available there. So yeah, the ebook I think is is really fun. Obviously, I think I have a way of saying things as well as writing things. So the audio book is a great way to just hear me in the car as you’re driving and going about your day. And then the physical book is just really pretty. So it might be something that you just want to have a wrap. So I think I want
Natalie Franke
one of each. So I will be buying one of each. Because I just can’t get enough. Thank you so much. I’m so grateful for you and just have loved our conversation.
Arielle Estoria
To thanks for having me.
Natalie Franke
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